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[Indrek]

Neljast neli! Võimsat hooaega tegev Robert Virves tõusis WRC2 klassis MM-sarja liidriks

https://ralli.ee/neljast-neli-voimast-h ... -liidriks/

[Kolin]

Dokumendid ka:

*SUNINEN
https://app-cdn.sportity.com/127c5937-3 ... on%204.pdf

*JOONA
https://app-cdn.sportity.com/127c5937-3 ... on%205.pdf

Joonale määrati siis Raha trahv 1000 euri. Persse oleks võinud ka 30 sekki anda. oleks Vaher kolmas olnud

[Indrek]

Dokumendid ka:

*SUNINEN
https://app-cdn.sportity.com/127c5937-3 ... on%204.pdf

*JOONA
https://app-cdn.sportity.com/127c5937-3 ... on%205.pdf

Joonale määrati siis Raha trahv 1000 euri. Persse oleks võinud ka 30 sekki anda. oleks Vaher kolmas olnud

See nagu imelik ja, et üks saab ajakaristuse, teine rahatrahvi.

[svs89]

Dokumendid ka:

*SUNINEN
https://app-cdn.sportity.com/127c5937-3 ... on%204.pdf

*JOONA
https://app-cdn.sportity.com/127c5937-3 ... on%205.pdf

Joonale määrati siis Raha trahv 1000 euri. Persse oleks võinud ka 30 sekki anda. oleks Vaher kolmas olnud

See nagu imelik ja, et üks saab ajakaristuse, teine rahatrahvi.

Erinevus tuleb sellest, et Suninen oli esimene sündmuspaigal, Joona teine.

Car No. 26 was the first competing car to arrive at the scene and
the crew did not stop.

Car No. 31 was the second competing car to arrive at the scene
and did not stop.

[Joorup]

Joonale määrati siis Raha trahv 1000 euri. Persse oleks võinud ka 30 sekki anda. oleks Vaher kolmas olnud

See nagu imelik ja, et üks saab ajakaristuse, teine rahatrahvi.

Erinevus tuleb sellest, et Suninen oli esimene sündmuspaigal, Joona teine.

Car No. 26 was the first competing car to arrive at the scene and
the crew did not stop.

Car No. 31 was the second competing car to arrive at the scene
and did not stop.

Kuuldavasti oli Suninenil samalaadne hoiatus rootsi rallist all.

[Eraisik]

Virvesele määratud nominaalajast. Arvasin kohe, et pole mingit “Soome kohtunike” vandenõud…

https://www.facebook.com/share/p/1QinnyA2ty/

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🧐 THE MYSTERY BEHIND VIRVES’ SS17 TIME IS FINALLY CLEAR.

Robert Virves eventually won WRC2 at Rally Finland, but his victory nearly slipped away on the stage where Sébastien Ogier crashed.

Before SS17, Virves held a comfortable 24.7-second advantage over Teemu Suninen. Once the stage was stopped and notional times were allocated, that margin disappeared completely — and Suninen suddenly led by 0.9s.

Virves was the first car to reach Ogier’s accident, but that was not the reason for the huge swing.

Speaking to DirtFish, the Estonian revealed that he had suffered a sensor problem during the opening kilometres of the stage.

🗣️ “It was just one position sensor which basically made the car front-wheel-drive at some places.”

Virves slowed while trying to understand the issue, eventually fixing it simply by disconnecting the sensor. But just as he was able to return to proper pace, the stage was red flagged.

Because the notional time was calculated from the running he had already completed before the stoppage, those slower opening kilometres remained extremely costly.

Suninen therefore inherited the WRC2 lead — but only temporarily.

On Sunday, the Finn received a 30-second penalty for failing to stop at Patrick Enok’s SS11 accident when no crew member was physically displaying the OK board, despite the green OK signal appearing on the tracking system.

That handed the advantage back to Virves, who ultimately won Rally Finland WRC2 by 16.1 seconds.

One WRC2 battle, ultimately shaped by one notional time and one penalty.

Source: Luke Barry & David Evans / DirtFish.

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#WRC #WRC2 #RallyFinland #RobertVirves #TeemuSuninen SplitTimeRally

[Indrek]

Virvesele määratud nominaalajast. Arvasin kohe, et pole mingit “Soome kohtunike” vandenõud…

https://www.facebook.com/share/p/1QinnyA2ty/

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THE MYSTERY BEHIND VIRVES’ SS17 TIME IS FINALLY CLEAR.

Robert Virves eventually won WRC2 at Rally Finland, but his victory nearly slipped away on the stage where Sébastien Ogier crashed.

Before SS17, Virves held a comfortable 24.7-second advantage over Teemu Suninen. Once the stage was stopped and notional times were allocated, that margin disappeared completely — and Suninen suddenly led by 0.9s.

Virves was the first car to reach Ogier’s accident, but that was not the reason for the huge swing.

Speaking to DirtFish, the Estonian revealed that he had suffered a sensor problem during the opening kilometres of the stage.

“It was just one position sensor which basically made the car front-wheel-drive at some places.”

Virves slowed while trying to understand the issue, eventually fixing it simply by disconnecting the sensor. But just as he was able to return to proper pace, the stage was red flagged.

Because the notional time was calculated from the running he had already completed before the stoppage, those slower opening kilometres remained extremely costly.

Suninen therefore inherited the WRC2 lead — but only temporarily.

On Sunday, the Finn received a 30-second penalty for failing to stop at Patrick Enok’s SS11 accident when no crew member was physically displaying the OK board, despite the green OK signal appearing on the tracking system.

That handed the advantage back to Virves, who ultimately won Rally Finland WRC2 by 16.1 seconds.

One WRC2 battle, ultimately shaped by one notional time and one penalty.

Source: Luke Barry & David Evans / DirtFish.

Share this with your rally friends and follow Split Time Rally for more WRC2 stories and analysis.

#WRC #WRC2 #RallyFinland #RobertVirves #TeemuSuninen SplitTimeRally

Asi ei olnudki Virvesele määratud ajas, kuna tal oli tõesti autoga probleem, vaid selles, et Suninenile anti katse võitnud Latvalaga sama aeg, aga kõigile teistele anti +6.5 kaotust... Ehk et kuidas saab katset sõitmata määrata võitjaga sama aeg ja teistele hoopis kehvem aeg....

Isegi kui esimene läbimine aluseks võtta, ei päde ikkagi selline ajavahe..... Mille kaotas näiteks esimesel läbimisel Suninenile +2,6 ja Jürgenson +3,6 aga teise läbimise kaotuseks panid kohtunikud +6,5

[Eraisik]

Esiteks oli palju “arvajaid” kes pläägutsid “ärategemisest” kuna Virves ja Suninen said erinevad ajad.
Ma olen sõitjana kohtunike tööga üsna hästi kursis. Olen saanud otsuseid mis panevad hambaid kiristama kui ka muhelema. Kuid alati on olnud mingi selge lähtekoht ning mitte kellegi eelistamine, ärstegemine.
Fakte ning kõiki kohtunike kasutuses olevaid videosid, telemeetriat jmt teadmata on raske selgitada mis selle Sunineni otsuse taga oli. Kuid sellele vaatamata ei kahtle ma selle adekvaatsuses.
Pakun puusalt et projitseeriti Sunineni teise läbimise ajal kuni punase lipu või avariikohani näidatud tempo. Aga see on kohvipaks mitte teadmine.

[Indrek]

Esiteks oli palju “arvajaid” kes pläägutsid “ärategemisest” kuna Virves ja Suninen said erinevad ajad.
Ma olen sõitjana kohtunike tööga üsna hästi kursis. Olen saanud otsuseid mis panevad hambaid kiristama kui ka muhelema. Kuid alati on olnud mingi selge lähtekoht ning mitte kellegi eelistamine, ärstegemine.
Fakte ning kõiki kohtunike kasutuses olevaid videosid, telemeetriat jmt teadmata on raske selgitada mis selle Sunineni otsuse taga oli. Kuid sellele vaatamata ei kahtle ma selle adekvaatsuses.
Pakun puusalt et projitseeriti Sunineni teise läbimise ajal kuni punase lipu või avariikohani näidatud tempo. Aga see on kohvipaks mitte teadmine.

Suninen ei jõudnud ühtegi splitti sõita. Minu arvates on Latvala ja Virvese osas kõik korrektne — Latvala sõitis ainsana katse lõpuni ja Virves kaotas reaalselt aega. Küll aga oleks ülejäänute puhul olnud õiglasem määrata kõigile võrdne aeg. Ma ei väida, et Suninen oleks pidanud saama kehvema aja, vaid et kõik tema järel startinud oleksid pidanud saama temaga sama aja. Minuarust oleks see olnud palju õiglasem. Aga see ainult minu arvamus

[Kolin]

See krdi Sunninei hala, et ta oli selgelt kiirem kui Virves. Kui oli kiirem siis kuidas said sa kuni 17 katse alguseni kaotada Virvesele 24.7 sekki. See oli see nn, kiirem olemine